Tom Byron Interview
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guess we can start with the Kid Vegas news.
Weíve been talking about that for ten minutes.
the recorder wasnít on.
have to say it again? Like I said before this fuck up turned the recorder on, we
donít want to take an established, jaded, tired director. We donít need someone
who is just banging them out for a buck. We took Zupko when we just a lost guy
wandering in the desert and gave him an identity and a purpose. Heís come up
with some great results. Sure he has his flaws, but so does everyone else. Heís
been a great asset. Vegas is a guy who already has a reputation.
reputation for making shitty movies.
whatís more of a challenge than that? Taking the guy who makes the worst movies
in porn and making him into a good director.
heís going to be directing for you guys?
and doing some publicity for us.
good at that.
Yeah, publicity made Kid Vegas. By the way, heís Mr. Vegas now.
Because heís grown up.
Yeah, something like that. I keep hearing things about stink bombs, but I donít
know anything about that.
other thing we were talking about was the mess with AVN. As we sit here in the
new Extreme offices and look back itís been a year since you guys stopped
advertising with them. They donít acknowledge you at all, clearly you wonít be
getting any AVN award nominations next monthÖ
no. No nominations? How do you know this? Itís news to me. Iím crushed. That
whole thing is silly. You have to think of it this way. Every time an issue of
their magazine comes out and weíre not mentioned, it hurts them more than it
does us. They go around pretending to be a news magazine with objective coverage
of the industry. Not only does that discredit their journalistic integrity, if
they had any to begin with, but it also brings attention to us. Weíre in all the
stores, weíre doing more business than ever and our sales are skyrocketing, yet
we donít show up. Anyone reading the magazine is going to wonder why we arenít
in there. Itís bringing more attention to the whole thing than if Fishbein had
just shrugged it off. Gene had some issues when he left, some things he wanted
to get off his chest. He felt he was being restrained there and he let loose.
Paul didnít like it and pulled our ads for that month. He pulled Rob off the
cover and tried to play tough guy. We just decided to hell with the whole thing.
about the lawsuit?
were never not going to pay them. We had a deal worked out with Stewart. I guess
Paul likes lawyers so he decided to throw a lawsuit at us. So weíre paying him.
Guess what, next month that bill is all paid and weíre done with them. He would
have gotten him money a lot sooner, but he wanted to play tough guy with the
lawyers. At the end of the day would you rather give your money to your lawyer
or pay your bills with it?
you guys taking the money you used to spend on AVN ads and putting them to work
advertise in major publications that go out to millions of people as opposed to
the forty thousand that AVN gets. Weíve been in Adam Film World for a few years,
but now we put mail order ads in all of the Larry Flynt Publications, Hustler,
Barely Legal and all their other titles.
these new ads get into the hands of porn fans and not just distributors or store
Right. AVN is a trade rag, not many porn fans read it.
have a circulation of forty thousand?
Thatís what they claim. There are more video stores in America than that. When
you do the math and take your nine or ten thousand that you had in AVN, then
spread it around to millions of porn fans, it stands to reason that youíre going
to do more business. We have proved that over the last year.
porn fans let store owners know what they want to see.
Exactly. Our mail order keeps growing every month. Itís amazing. We built up a
web site, we have a strong presence on the Internet and we get our product to
Youíve got the Extreme site an then also Geneís web site. He probably gets more
readers monthly than AVN does.
track his traffic and yeah, it blows away forty thousand. Your site probably
gets more than that in a month, even if you double AVN and figure eighty
thousand people. You get that right?
get around three hundred thousand visitors a month.
thatísÖ what? Three hundred thousand a month? Thatís repeat visitors as well
right, because I go there every day.
Thatís unique visits.
that kind of thing blows away a trade rag. Youíve had a presence on the web for
a long time, way back when rec.arts.movies.erotic started. I donít have Geneís
exact number, but they are good.
AVN has shut down his old site.
they still maintain the URL and point it right to the main AVN site. I think
thatís kind of funny. The guy who wasnít worth keeping or fighting over is still
bringing them plenty of traffic.
were talking earlier about a new series that has no anal in it.
doing this thing called ďOperation Just CoozeĒ and I came up with the title
before the war. In light of what has happened, I am dedicating this movie to the
men and women fighting for our freedom. After all, whatís more American than
me a little about the movie.
basically Whack Attack with no anal.
that because some girls donít want to do anal?
Yeah, some girls are really good looking and we paint ourselves into a corner
with this anal in every scene thing. Doing a movie a month, I end up working the
same girls over and over. Donít get me wrong, I wish I could use Nikita Denise
in every fucking movie because sheís so nasty and a good time.
does the first one of these hit the shelves?
due out near the end of October.
you said Extreme was working on some simultaneous format releases.
has taken a while because you need a month lead time on the DVDs.
sort of bonus materials are you working on for the new DVDs?
Weíve always had extras, the behind the scenes, the extra scene, what other
extras do you want Rog, weíll put them in just for you.
need directorís commentary. We need you sitting in a room talking about who
youíre fucking in the ass.
you serious? Wouldnít that just be the most distracting fucking thing? Director
commentary in a porno, how useless.
Well, it works for features.
I donít do features and the guy here who does features is Zupko. Would you want
to listen to him rant for two fucking hours?
you should do is just record one director commentary track and put it on every
DVD, who cares what movie itís for.
Seriously, what should we put on?
about another behind the scenes with the new offices?
Thatís a good idea. What else?
about porn critic commentary, maybe with some contract girls sitting on my lap?
on, the only thing worse than listening to Zupko rant is listening to a porn
critic drone on and on.
I was just about to compliment you guys on the last behind the scenes bonus.
Elegant Angel has one now.
figures, Patrick has never had an original thought in his fucking life.
did put that de-virginizing thing on their DVDs which is pretty cool.
know, I was thinking the other day about something Pat and John Stagliano always
say. They say they shoot what makes their dick hard. Whatís that about? First, I
donít want that visual in my head, ever. Second, I donít shoot what makes my
dick hard, I shoot what makes the audienceís dick hard. Iím jaded. Pat, John,
weíre all jaded. Thatís what weíre about here. We make Americaís dick hard.
new Extreme slogan. Speaking of what makes Patrickís dick hard, you guys have
your own line of foot movies now.
have our foot guy here. Rod Fontana shot Lower Extremities, did you see it yet?
saw part of it. It was disturbing.
was disturbing, but as far as feet goes, itís pretty good.
guess, feet donít do it for me.
either, feet are feet, you walk on them, but for people who like them, I guess
new Zupko superhero movie looks pretty interesting.
Yeah, I peeked into the editing room a few times. Itís nice to see Zupko do
something different. Usually itís all about dark, he has to make it dark.
Sometimes his stuff is more than dark, itís downright hostile.
Zupkoís heart is in the right place.
was just talking with him about the fact that if this war with AVN werenít going
on, they would be all over Shades of Hades. It is a Michael Ninn or Michael
Raven type of movie that they love.
Thatís something else for people to think about when they get their nominations
this year. Not that they ever really meant anything anyway, but now they are
totally invalidated. Any award that you hold in your hand in January wonít have
any meaning because it wasnít measured against the best company of the business.
We are the best company in the business, in terms of sales and in terms of
diversity. Thatís one thing about Evil Angel. They just signed Jules Jordan and
Nacho Vidal, two more gonzo shooters. Their whole lineup is all gonzo. Itís all
hand held, gonzo. VCA and Wicked do all features and all safe, politically
correct movies. We go from my stuff which in any other company would be nasty,
but here is middle of the road. We have Zupko doing features, Rod taking feet up
his ass, our European stuff, we do a little bit of everything.
you said a minute ago about the AVN Awards sounds a lot like major league
baseball in the years before Jackie Robinson. How can you tell who the best team
is if you leave someone out?
Exactly and the same holds true of their charts. People think they made the top
ten, but they didnít. We know weíre doing more sales than last year, so they
have those slots because we have been taken out of the equation. I donít see how
anyone can think that putting an ad in AVN or winning an AVN Award will improve
your sales. We have proved that it didnít.
the other hand, when you guys first started, you have AVN Awards all over your
promo. You guys displayed those things proudly.
Thatís true. We did have to start from scratch. At the end of the day it was the
work we did, not the awards that have increased our sales. They are so out of
touch with the consumers that they donít know what they are doing. We have a
consumer driven product where customers demand our stuff by name. There arenít
many companies like that. Anabolic and Evil Angel are like that. People demand
their stuff like they do ours. With everyone else itís box covers or pretty
girls. I look at a new company like Jill Kelly Productions with a four page ad
and I have to shake my head. Spend money on productions and talent, donít throw
your money away.
they are a new company like you guys were and it does help make them visible to
stores. You guys donít need it now, but you did then.
Iím not saying that AVN didnít have a hand in the early success of our company.
Iíll give them props for that. After that first year, it became a tug of war
with Fishbein. I remember he did two pages on John Bone because he had some
girls go out for a few minutes on WWF with the Godfather. Here we were on
national TV with our own company and we couldnít get in there. We couldnít seem
to get our share of the press pie. Everyone knows that AVN belongs to Vivid,
Wicked and VCA. Itís their magazine. If they were to pull out, AVN would close
tomorrow. In a way, I understand and donít envy Fishbeinís position. On the
other hand, donít hold yourself up as a saint and expect people not to pull the
rug out from under you. Donít purport to be a beacon of truth then not live up
has their hands tied. They canít say too much about the industry because they
would be dead. They canít say too much about girls not doing interracial and
companies condoning that because theyíll be out of business. AVN canít say Taboo
2001 sucked, which it did, because they will lose too much ad money.
that movie is going to move nine thousand pieces, be nice.
itís going to win a bunch of awards, but letís face it, it was a bad Michael
Ninn wanna-be movie with lame sex. Sure it will a ton of awards, but what good
Exactly, it wins awards, but for who?
There could even a writer at AVN who saw that movie and thought that it sucked
as badly as I did. They would just pass it around until somebody loved it.
works both ways. The first Whack Attack movie was originally an ĎEditors Choiceí
title. That would have been a really nice thing for us, our first release
getting the Editors Choice. Because I did that thing where I called Patrick a
dirty, rat bastard, lying cock sucker, Pat complained to Fish. Fish took the
movie and reviewed it himself. He dropped it by a half point, called me a punk
and moved another titled into the Editors Choice slot.
easy to manipulate like that. Give the movies to people you know will like them.
you noticed that all the artsy-fartsy movies are reviewed by Kernes? If you gave
Mark Kernes a Slap Happy, he wouldnít have a clue what to do. You turn around
and give it to a guy like Ramone and he likes it. We could go on and on about
this because it amuses us. We donít mind thumbing our noses at them and they
pretend not to respond.
have other people do that for them.
know and I wasnít going to even talk about this guy, but we have to.
South. I have never seen a bigger ass kisser in my whole life. The thing is, I
like Mike. We did a thing in Houston right before he signed with Elegant and we
hung out and I got a kick out of the guy. I like him personally, but every time
I turn around, he has to put his two cents in about Extreme. Maybe heís jealous
because we didnít invite him on board when we left Elegant. I donít know where
heís coming from, but heís constantly stepping on his dick. I think the real
root of his animosity comes from those last few months at Elegant. In the time
leading up to the show in Vegas, Rob and I were both kind of cocky and fed up
with Patrick. Rob and a few other guys really busted Mikeís balls unmercifully.
You know how Rob can be and Mike was the odd man out. That could be the source
of all this. He rips our movies which is fine. Personally, I canít sit through a
Mike South movie. To me, itís like watching an Ed Powers movies. I see this old,
fat guy paying for sex. Heís a fucking John with some money and scams these
girls into fucking him. There may be a disturbing little thrill to that, but I
just canít watch it. I say this to you Mike, I have no beef with you whatsoever.
You amuse me, like a clown.
to happier topics. I talked to this cute girl the other day, Jenna Haze. She
tells me she wants to have sex with you and you put her in a scene with Marc
Davis. What the fuck is wrong with you?
is the one who had her number and hooked up the whole thing. Iíll put her in a
Lord of Asses movies and fuck her ass.
seems like a good note to end this on, so thanks Tom, weíll talk to you again.