Lexington Steele Interview
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After a nice meal at a local Tex/Mex restaurant, Lexington Steele, Mike
John & were talking about porn. We gradually made our way to interview
type subjects, so I turned on the recorder in the middle of a
conversation. Excuse me if this one gets off to a rough start, it just
seemed better than stopping the flow of the conversation.
Thatís a great point
Lex, now that the recorder is on, maybe catch us up.
I was just saying that
the so-called feature performer will never have the kind of impact on porn
that the gonzo performer will have. Iím speaking of the men in the
industry of course. You are not going to see one of the big name guys on
the feature circuit go into a bookstore and have the cashier, a nineteen
year old librarian type, flip out. Sheís not going to see a Dillon Day or
an Evan Stone and go crazy. You can have a gonzo performer come in and she
will recognize him from a movie she was watching when she was getting off.
Itís the popularity of the gonzo market at work.
So youíre more
recognizable in part because youíre in movies that people actually watch?
Thatís part of it
Mike- Did this
actually happen to you?
Lex- Hereís what
happened. I came and this girl at the register is staring at me with this
wild eyed look on my face. She said under her breath, ďOh my God.Ē I asked
her if she watched movies and she said yes. Then she just gives me this
twenty nine dollar book for free. It was going to come off her check and
she just gave it to me. I felt kind of bad so the next day I came in and
brought her Up Your Ass 18 and Westside, a gonzo and a feature just to let
her know that I do features as well.
Rog- (To Mike) That
happens to you all the time right?
Mike- Only if I stand
near a dumpster and it helps if I have my inflatable date sitting next to
Rog- You were saying
something a minute ago about the feature market. Letís get back to that
for a second.
Lex- The feature
market is a blatant and overt exercise in racism. Unfortunately, this is
pornography and itís not worth fighting over. I donít make an issue of it.
Can you give a
specific example of what youíre talking about?
You take a person who
had 75% of the spoken dialog in the biggest feature production of 2000,
who was nominated for best actor. The movie was nominated for best movie,
best couples scene, best group scene and the movie was cut for B movie
status in foreign countries. This guy has not done but one other feature
since that movie came out. If that guy looked like Joe All
how big would he be in this industry? The cable market has no use for
people of color in their movies. They wonít buy these movies from the
people who make features, so those companies donít produce them.
Do you think this
falls on the cable companies or do we place the blame on the consumers who
tell certain cable companies what they will and will not watch?
The consumer will take
whatís given to them. There are areas where the consumer canít get the
movies they want in the stores, so the cable market is their only way to
get porn. If those consumers say to their only outlet that they donít want
to see interracial sex, then it rolls downhill. The cable company says to
Wicked, VCA, Video Team, who is a wolf in sheepís clothing by the way, and
tells those companies that they wonít purchase movies with black people in
them. They choose not to shoot interracial because it cuts off the big
money from cable.
So as you see it,
cable companies are telling porn companies that they donít want to buy
interracial movies and the companies are reacting accordingly?
Itís pure speculation
on my part.
OK, speculating, do
you think this comes from customers telling cable companies not to show
it, or is it cable companies saying that they donít care what people want
to see, they are going to refuse interracial in spite the wishes of the
There are areas of the
country where a number of people would be against watching black on white
sex. Thatís an easy thing to realize. In many of those regions, people
canít buy porn in stores so they have to cross state lines or watch what
they get on cable. If enough people in those areas are also opposed to
watching black on white sex, then that will be reflected in terms of
dollars, at the cable company level. If a scene between Lexington
Steele and Bridgette Kerkove strikes a chord in Billy Bobís mind and he
wonít watch, then the companies wonít buy it. Then a production company
has to think. We canít sell this movie there, what can we sell? Maybe they
can put Brad Armstrong with her. It will be a good scene, it could be
better, but it sells across the board. In that case, Wicked is going to
produce the scenes that will sell in the bigger markets.
That makes sense in a
fucked up sort of way.
Of course it makes
sense. Why would they make movies that canít be sold in a good portion of
So you think it
ultimately comes down to the consumer?
It has to.
What about the double
standard for ďinterracialĒ scenes?
We all know what
thatís about. You take a black woman and put her with a white man and itís
not the same thing. In fourteen years, how often do you think Heather
Hunter has worked with a black man? This is the longest running contract
girl in the history of our business. You can count the number of black on
black scenes she has done on one hand. Vividís new contract girl probably
did her last interracial scene when she worked with me for West Coast.
Not to make excuses,
but during that fourteen years, how many black performers have been A list
guys? You, Sean, Marcus, who else?
That span would
include all those guys, plus FM Bradley, Billy Dee, Ray Victory. With the
guys you listed, thatís six. At least four of those six would be A list.
That kind of proves my
point though doesnít it? Sheís worked with the three A list guys we just
If you donít want to
work with FM Bradley, fine. But there is no reason for her not to work
with Marcus or Sean. They are A list and have been from the start. Ray
Victory was an A list guy. And donít forget Jake Steed.
All of this kind of
brings us back to the AVN article of a few months ago. You and Jewel
DeíNyle were mentioned in the same article. Was that an actual interview?
Not really. AVN
contacted us separately. She gave her statement, I gave mine. It wasnít
the two of us speaking out together.
Thatís how it looked.
Make no mistake, as of
June of this year, Jewel did not do interracial scenes. How she became an
authority after her first scene with Marcus, I have no idea. Before that
scene, she was the same as Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Serenity and the
so called A stars who refuse to do interracial.
Why do you think Jewel
changed her policy?
I believe she changed
because she is a very smart businesswoman. Now that she is doing
interracial, she picks up a whole new fan base. She now has 100% of the
black audience. The way she looks and the way she performers, every
brother in the world is going to look at her as the next Nina Hartley. She
is a cool person and a good businesswoman. I would say that sheís not a
racist in any way. There have been women, Hypatia Lee, Christy
women like this had problems racially.
Christy did a scene
with Jake for Vivid.
You have to remember
this though, she was in the twilight of her career and looking to add some
spark. Itís very clear how these things work. I donít fault Jewel at all.
She is one of the women I fantasize about when Iím working with other
women. This is a business where you are forced to accept certain
conditions. You can play within the rules or you can get the fuck out.
One of the arguments
used by women who donít do interracial is that it will hurt them in the
cable market and dancing. What you were just saying would seem to back up
at least the possibility that this sort of financial impact may exist.
That is a common way
of thinking, but I look at it this way. Seventy percent of the viewer ship
is white males. Thirty percent are black males. Do you want 100% of
seventy or do you want 100% of the full hundred. Jewel now has one hundred
percent of the viewer ship of adult videos. Everybody. She is going to
make more money on the road. She can go into every club in DC, every club
and fill up the club. She does to Detroit
and sheíll have a line around the corner. Inari Vachs has never had a
position on interracial because she doesnít think that way. Why is she the
most popular female other than Tera Patrick if interracial hurts? I will
tell you this, Tera has a fan base that is one hundred percent white.
Black viewers donít know Tera at all. If you put Tera up against Jewel in
a popularity contest. Tera will take seventy and Jewel will take one
hundred. You want to tell me that itís more important to worry about some
club owner in
says he wonít book her if she does a black guy? She is still Tera Patrick,
you have to book her. The girls are being told not to work with brothers
and they arenít being shown the reality of the situation.
Who is telling them
Iíll give you another
example. Ryan Connor shot a scene for Oral Consumption with me and Erik
Everhard. She sucked my dick, ate my ass and swallowed cum. She took a
break for a while and came back into the business. Ryan was told by her
webmaster and boyfriend that she shouldnít do a scene with me because it
would ruin her career. How in the hell is doing a scene with Lexington
Steele going to ruin her career?
Mike- Doing Oral
Consumption might ruin a career.
Lex- Why is that?
Because Iím black? This guy is Asian and heís telling her not to work with
me. Now sheís not with him in any more so weíre going to do scenes. Me and
Ryan are cool, but here is this guy trying to fuck things up. Iíll give
you another example. Monica Mayhem has a husband who I shoot for all the
time and am good friends with, Craven
Iím pretty sure Monica has done interracial and she has told me she would
do a scene with me, but it just never happens. I have been told that
Craven told Monica not to do interracial. Iím cool with Craven, have hung
with Craven, smoked herb with him and now I hear this? That because sheís
his wife or whatever, but still fucks strangers for money and is basically
a whore, canít fuck black men?
All this said, we know
that there are some people out there, I donít understand them and I donít
want to, who really donít want to watch women who have done interracial.
This cuts both ways of course, with white guys who donít want to see white
girls do black guys and black guys who donít want to see black girls do
white guys. Since we know these people exist, if, and this is a
supposition, if there are enough of them out there to actually cause harm,
is that enough of a reason for a woman to refuse to do interracial and if
not, what should be done?
If a woman is not
attracted to a man for any reason, she shouldnít have to work with him.
You canít force a woman into something and I wouldnít advocate that at
all. If she is not attracted to a certain type of person, so be it. I have
my own preferences and I would rather work with some women then others. If
a woman were to say that sheís not attracted to black men, I would respect
that. Just donít hide behind some other excuse.
It canít all be about
attraction in porn though.
No, there are a lot of
guys working who look like these girlsí fathers. The average age for a lot
of these girls is what, nineteen? Many of the guys in porn are old enough
to be their fathers. Itís a lot more likely that a boyfriend a manager or
a webmaster has told a girl not to do the interracial thing. There are
people in charge of certain modeling agencies who direct girls away from
Let me throw this out
to you. It could be said that this sort of positioning, racism or not,
cuts both ways and can help you as much as it hurts you.
How do you figure?
Because there are some
people in the audience who still find the taboo of black on white sex to
be a thrill, there are movies and performers who make it because they are
It doesnít really
apply to you. Youíre a good looking guy with a huge dick, youíre going to
work regardless, but there are white fans of interracial who drive the
market to a certain degree. The lower end black performers can be thrown
into a White Trash Whore movie because of the taboo.
Thatís true to some
extent. A person like myself or Marcus or Sean Michaels has to set a
standard though. We have to deal with the fact that we are tokens. I
realize that this is my position. Iíve had idiots on the internet direct
the term Uncle Tom at me and that baffles me. I make six figures having
sex with beautiful women and I donít give a fuck if they are black, white,
brown or purple. If a guy has a problem seeing me have sex with a white
girl, then they shouldnít watch the video.
So youíre reaching
beyond the interracial genre.
Yeah. Look at all the
work coming out of Anabolic and Diabolic. None of it is predicated on
interracial action. Up Your Ass is the only interracial based theme and
thatís not always black on white. Panochitas is another one, but thatís
black and white on
interracial, but not in the myopic world some people live in.
There are over twenty
lines and none of them are based on race. We pair up performers with
performers and that works quite well.
There are also a lot
of very popular lines that are totally predicated on black on white sex.
Sure, Chasing the Big
Ones, I participate in that one hundred percent.
What about All-Black
I am going to be
working on a line that Sean started back in 1994 called Women of Color. I
am going to resurrect that line and make it my own. It will feature black
women, but it wonít be a black on black line because that will make it
All black lines are
What I mean by that is
this. If I shoot a black on black movie then I can only put myself and
Marcus in it. If itís an Anabolic movie I can put Marcus, myself, Erik
Everhard, Mark Davis, Jon Dough and these guys. The list of talent is
Going back to last
year, you had said some things in the interview that were misunderstood by
some people on the net and then it exploded into this whole big thing.
In the past, I had
hired a woman who wouldnít do interracial. The thing is, it wasnít her
policy, it was a decision handed down to her by her manager. I needed a
blonde and I knew she was going to be hot. I will no longer shoot a woman
who refuses to do a man of color. It doesnít have to be me, but she canít
just have a blanket refusal.
Because some women
might have legitimate size issues with you.
Right. I would much
rather have a woman tell me that they donít think they can handle me. If
they can do a better scene with a smaller guy, Iíll hire someone else. If
I know that the girl has a policy of not doing brothers, then I donít need
to spend the money on her. I donít have to jeopardize my morality by
spending money on someone who wonít shoot with me or someone who looks
Moving on, you made it
onto the AVN Male Performer nominee list this year.
I actually got twelve
nominations this year, including Male Performer.
Do you expect to win?
I donít think their
list is a very strong list. I donít think that the Americans are well
represented compared to the Europeans. They have Rocco, Nacho and
Christoph Clark. How can you send up the collection of Americans that they
did? The absence of Erik Everhard is the most glaring omission in the
history of the AVN Awards.
More so than your
omission last year?
Yes, absolutely. I
have been around four years and I worked my way to where I am. Erik came
in and has been the best or second best performer on American soil since
day one. I would still say that Rocco is the greatest performer on the
face of the earth. It would be nice to win, but over Rocco? Thatís a tough
thing to say. Without Erik on the list, I sincerely donít think there
anyone who deserves it more than Rocco or myself.
Would it mean more to
you to win Male Performer or to win for your Balls Deep series?
At this point in my
career, I am still learning the directing end, so to be recognized as a
performer would mean more. I am still learning way too much about
directing to put myself up with Mike John or Rocco or the other great
gonzo directors. I am not ready just yet to be recognized for my
directing. Itís nice to be nominated though.
What lines are you
working on now?
Iíve got Balls Deep
and number four is just about out.
Got a preview for us?
There is this girl
named Shyla who is nineteen and brand new. We have a beautiful, tall
are a number of girls from
Kimberly, Judy Star, itís a good line up. Jessie J who is really good and
Jodie Moore from
OK, what else?
Iím working on the
Initiations line, starting the Women of Color line. We are going to take
the hottest black and Asian women on the market and shoot them at the top
level. There are other lines out there, like Color Blind, but we are going
to put women like Cahsmere and Vanessa Blue and pair them up with guys
like Mario and Erik Everhard. We are going to make this series the best
of its kind. Itís a soft market right now and weíre going to crush them.
You are still
performing in other movies, but as a director are you locked in to
Anabolic and Diabolic?
With all of the lines
Iím working on, they keep me very busy. I donít have a Diabolic line yet,
but that should be coming soon. Yes, I will work in other peopleís movies,
but only for Evil Angel and West Coast Productions. I have a good
relationship with Jules
We did Heavy Metal 1 and 2 for Rosebud. Heís with Evil Angel and we will
work together on his series called Lex the Impaler. I shoot for Joey
Silvera, John Leslie, but mostly I will be shooting for Jules.
When John Leslie calls
youíre not going to say no.
You know, heís
amazing. The last time I worked for him, I didnít understand what he was
going for. Now that Iíve been on the other side of the camera and seeing
things from a new perspective. All of a sudden it hit me like a ton of
bricks. All of a sudden I get it. I get the hype and I know why he is an
icon and bigger than a legend. The way he shoots, itís fantastic. I see it
now. It is mind blowing and now I know why he is John Leslie.
You have a web site in
the works, isnít that right?
I do. Iím working on a
www.lexsteele.com that should be up and running by CES. I also have a
www.liquidsteele.com that is for a vitamin supplement deal. Itís a
great thing for guys who is looking for something natural.
Mike- Hey, hook me up
with some of that. If anyone needs a vitamin supplement itís me, with the
pale skin and the bags under my eyes.
Mike, if you get any
better looking, you will lose your every man appeal and turn into an Evan
Stone type with the long flowing hair. Besides, no straight man should be
asking Lex for a vitamin supplement. Itís just wrong. Lex, youíre from the
East Coast, right?
We had originally
scheduled this interview right around the time of the September 11th
bombings. Being from back there, this had to be especially hard for you.
It hit me very close
to home. I came out of Syracuse
in 1993. By early 1994 I was a licensed broker and was in the
2 for four and a half years as a stock broker. I worked in that building
and had I still been a broker, I would have been in that building at the
time. I would have been at my desk or in transit under that building. I
know people in that building who died, there are places I used to have
lunch in every day that are not there any more. It affected me in a very
personal way. My best friend recently lost his job to layoffs following
that event. This is a crazy world we live in, but all of these things
weíve been talking about, porn and the racism in this business pale in
comparison to the bigger issues in the world. I have no complaints
compared to what these people have to deal with. I am blessed in so many
Iím going to put you
on the spot. We were just talking about Jules
He is one of the best all-sex shooters in porn. The guy next to you, Mike
John, is another of the very best. You work with both of them and Iím
going to ask you to compare the two.
First of all, let me
say that Mike and Jules are, to me, the best shooters in the business.
They are both equally good, but just have different styles. I think that
Mike is more focused. You know exactly what youíre getting when he get a
shot. Jules doesnít always know what he is going to shoot. He will canvas
the whole scene and not give you a sustained shot. Mike will focus on a
particular shot and stay with it. The way I look at it is this. Are you
the type of person who would like to walk around two people having sex or
stay in one spot and keep a steady view. Thatís how I see them. They are
both far above the average gonzo shooter. They can both come up with shots
that other people just donít get.
This seems like a good
time to switch and get Mikeís reaction. So thanks Lex and weíll talk to
you again soon.
Thanks Rog and thanks
to all of the people out there for their support.